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Day 2
Jan 26, 2012 0:23:47 GMT -5
Post by Call The Names on Jan 26, 2012 0:23:47 GMT -5
RE: CTN: Reserving judgment on this until I hear from the replacement, assuming you're /out. Do you know of Measure of a Man's current situation, too? I'm not even going to pretend her identity can't be found out by right clicking her avatar, so I'm assuming asking this is fair game. Meh. Yeah, she hasn't been able to keep up with this game either and wanted me to ask Kay for a replacement for her. Sorry for being useless.
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Day 2
Jan 26, 2012 2:22:22 GMT -5
Post by Fisherman's Boy on Jan 26, 2012 2:22:22 GMT -5
Thanks Kay! @ Fisherwoman's Daughter: you do realize you can just read the thread, post your thoughts on the players that you have the most notable thoughts about (ie, the people who you think are scummy, and the current hip lynch targets) and it'll take less time but be roughly equal in content to if you made a huge post with totally unnecessary filler content about everybody including your null reads, right? Point taken. I'll skip ahead to the people under the most scrutiny. Crashing DownDay 1: A few silly posts to start. Then she... uh... Night 1: Decides to start posting upon things becoming "better", thinks Day 1 silence is justified because lynches tend to be blind shots during that phase. Defends Miles to Go's logic against Mountain's accusations of being hasty and shallow for similar reasons, expresses suspicion towards Mountain for her allegedly defensive behaviour. Can't decide whether Sedna's persuader claim is fake or not. Warns the town to not trust a night bomb claim too easily, seconds that Sedna should persuade someone. Tells people to talk. Day 2: Is defensive of her own inactivity, and tells people to talk again. Apparently felt pressured enough to sheep Trail of Tears on the Exile wagon. Acknowledges being pressured into sheeping and how her vote wouldn't be on Exile otherwise (what?), tells other people to talk yet again. Then would have voted Exile all along, and says confusing things. Begins Eclipse-style summary for personal reasons. Doesn't like wagon hopping, states actual suspicions, agrees with things Trail of Tears said. Votes for me because she didn't like my Day 1 (nor did I, honestly) and immediately states intent to unvote later, which makes me wonder why I'm supposed to give a shit or what she was hoping to accomplish. More summary stuff. Unvotes, bite-sized opinions on everyone, prefers a Mountain lynch to an Exile lynch and votes accordingly. Defends herself against War Between Brothers's accusations by pointing out WBB's own shoddy Day 1, explains that the summaries were for getting her thoughts together, and they were working. Claims to have voted Exile to gather information, tells Mountain to talk or be lynched. Says sheeping helps get info. Wants Miles to Go to vote. Cites hypocrisy and other people's reasons, moves her vote onto Exile again. Interrogationist crap and a scumometer, forgets Exile and me. Remembers Exile, continues to forget me. Overall, far too defensive, but has been getting more proactive lately. Either scum, or suffering from the same lack of motivation that seems to have struck most of us. I'm leaning towards the former; her posts are just bizarre, she acts like she does everything out of pressure, and her votes rub me the wrong way. Hypocrisy? Who cares about that? If you've been doing the same things as your scum reads, you should focus on changing that rather than unvoting for fear of being hypocritical. Such things do not invalidate your logic in this game. Could easily be scum trying to secure a lynch on town!Exile. Speaking of: ExileDay 1: Begins by telling Mountain to post, we're off to a great start already. Apparently this is appropriate coming from the first post from the third-last player to say anything. Comes back later to fix her avatar, tell Miles to Go that the timing of Mountain's appearance isn't so suspicious seeing as there'd been one vote on her all phase (though scum!me would be more motivated to suddenly appear after two votes rather than one). Thinks Miles to Go's spirited posts are town-motivated. Draws a questionable parallel between physics and psychology and keeps her vote on Mountain. Would vote someone who has contributed less if not for the deadline. Changes her vote ineffectually to War Between Brothers because lynching someone who apparently didn't want a lynch > lynching someone who claims to have internet problems. Night 1: Acknowledges mistake, points out how the town was lucky and doesn't like the way Tarnished Silver ended up getting lynched. Attempts to prod-vote an obvtown (or in light of recent events, at least obvnon-scum) player during the night phase. Thinks Inspiration's vote could be bussing or just lazy, more likely the latter. Admits his original Mountain vote was hypocritical, but says keeping it on was justifiable following Mountain's reaction. Thought her vote might have done better elsewhere, but was discouraged from moving it because of votals, before seeing more even votals that encouraged her to move her vote to War Between Brothers, because of that post that I'm pretty sure was just an extremely poorly-worded way of saying she didn't see anyone as scummy enough to vote for. Day 2: Rewords previous post to defend herself, wants something more substantial from the announcer, and wants War Between Brothers to tell us how she knows Team Skull exists. Tells Crashing Down not to sheep, and goes off to reread. Then decides to sub out. Well, eight posts isn't all that active. A lot of what she said was indecisive, irrelevant, or defensive of previous actions. Yet it all seemed honest enough to me, and there were a couple of good points and questions in there. Eventually asked for a sub, implying all this stemmed from lack of motivation. I have my apprehensions, but I'm not seeing scum here. I'm sure that this will turn out much clearer once our sub-to-be says something. Following through on my analysis so far... ##Vote: Crashing DownMore of this later. Mountain and War Between Brothers next.
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Day 2
Jan 26, 2012 3:56:40 GMT -5
Post by Kingsword on Jan 26, 2012 3:56:40 GMT -5
Time for some interrogationist crap. Kingsword: Are you lurking? Because you haven't been on in a while. I'm actually at school. And given the beautiful schedule I have, it's kind of hard to... do stuff. Also, does anyone else find it interesting that when whoever tells WBB,iirc, that just because they are persuaded doesn't mean they can't share their opinion, WBB votes for CtN as he is supposed to but then makes a huge long post with justification for the vote? If you're persuaded you don't have to justify your vote. And giving your opinion only on the person you have to vote for doesn't really give anyone else anything to go off of. I can see your point there, but I felt I should put at least some effort into a vote. Besides, looking at CD's posts, it did look quite glaring, and without the forced vote, I probably wouldn't be nearly as productive as I am now (which isn't that much, but it's better.). Sometimes you have to argue a point that you don't agree with. It just turns out that the argument was solid anyway.(Or something.) I'm taking issue with the bolded part; why would you take an argument you don't believe in, even if it's good? Yeah, activity and all, but I still don't like that idea, honestly. Also going to keep my vote on CD because I can't really see what makes her appear townish, even slightly. Exile may appear more scummy to you guys and all, but that doesn't make CD any less scummy, so vote stays. That and her logic on voting Mountain earlier in the day seemed really... shitty. and i'm a lazy asshole
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Day 2
Jan 26, 2012 4:51:07 GMT -5
Post by War Between Brothers on Jan 26, 2012 4:51:07 GMT -5
I'm taking issue with the bolded part; why would you take an argument you don't believe in, even if it's good? Yeah, activity and all, but I still don't like that idea, honestly. Knowing the other side of an argument helps a lot if you oppose it. Then you can more easily realize what parts of that argument are flawed, etc. That's the theory, anyway.
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Day 2
Jan 26, 2012 11:12:13 GMT -5
Post by Crashing Down on Jan 26, 2012 11:12:13 GMT -5
@war Between Brothers: You say I have some things to explain. Explain to me what things I need to explain so I can explain them.
This.
And I need to finish rereading the posts prior to this, but I noticed this most.
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Day 2
Jan 26, 2012 11:25:22 GMT -5
Post by Crashing Down on Jan 26, 2012 11:25:22 GMT -5
Alright. I can mostly explain my actions. Mostly.
I decided my own Day 1 performance was not what I wanted to have as a lasting impression for the rest of the game. Not being active has beaten me before, and not really doing anything didn't either. When someone called me out for not being active, I explained it as plainly as I could. I have a life, and it doesn't revolve around Mafia.
When it came time for me to get something done, I summarized, even though Inspiration made his own summary and shared it. It wasn't helpful for me, and I thought people might like another summary. It was helpful in determining what happened, but it didn't show every fact I could use.
So when I summarized Day 1, I had to sleep afterwards, so I placed a vote on Fisherman's Boy, as I thought he was scummiest on Day 1 premises alone. Upon Night 1 and Day 2, my plans changed.
And like I said. I don't actually want to see an Exile lynch. I would rather see Mountain's neck in the hangman's noose today. But that isn't fair for the sub. So I switched it to the next scummiest target, even though I don't have real reasons of my own, but 5 other people did.
That said, I still want to see Mountain lynched instead of Exile, but I don't plausibly see it happening tonight, with the sub and all.
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Day 2
Jan 26, 2012 14:42:34 GMT -5
Post by Call The Names on Jan 26, 2012 14:42:34 GMT -5
Okay, hi. New Call the Names. Kind of obvious who I am because it was announced who subbed in for who, but whatever.
I need to catch up a bit, so give me a bit of time to do that, first of all, and I also need to get a feel of what's going on, so I may need some time for that too.
I guess that's really all for now, but just be aware that I exist.
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Day 2
Jan 26, 2012 16:45:54 GMT -5
Post by Mountain on Jan 26, 2012 16:45:54 GMT -5
Alright. I can mostly explain my actions. Mostly. I decided my own Day 1 performance was not what I wanted to have as a lasting impression for the rest of the game. Not being active has beaten me before, and not really doing anything didn't either. When someone called me out for not being active, I explained it as plainly as I could. I have a life, and it doesn't revolve around Mafia. When it came time for me to get something done, I summarized, even though Inspiration made his own summary and shared it. It wasn't helpful for me, and I thought people might like another summary. It was helpful in determining what happened, but it didn't show every fact I could use. So when I summarized Day 1, I had to sleep afterwards, so I placed a vote on Fisherman's Boy, as I thought he was scummiest on Day 1 premises alone. Upon Night 1 and Day 2, my plans changed. And like I said. I don't actually want to see an Exile lynch. I would rather see Mountain's neck in the hangman's noose today. But that isn't fair for the sub. So I switched it to the next scummiest target, even though I don't have real reasons of my own, but 5 other people did. That said, I still want to see Mountain lynched instead of Exile, but I don't plausibly see it happening tonight, with the sub and all. So, what is your reasoning for not wanting Exile lynched?
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Day 2
Jan 26, 2012 17:15:35 GMT -5
Post by Crashing Down on Jan 26, 2012 17:15:35 GMT -5
Alright. I can mostly explain my actions. Mostly. I decided my own Day 1 performance was not what I wanted to have as a lasting impression for the rest of the game. Not being active has beaten me before, and not really doing anything didn't either. When someone called me out for not being active, I explained it as plainly as I could. I have a life, and it doesn't revolve around Mafia. When it came time for me to get something done, I summarized, even though Inspiration made his own summary and shared it. It wasn't helpful for me, and I thought people might like another summary. It was helpful in determining what happened, but it didn't show every fact I could use. So when I summarized Day 1, I had to sleep afterwards, so I placed a vote on Fisherman's Boy, as I thought he was scummiest on Day 1 premises alone. Upon Night 1 and Day 2, my plans changed. And like I said. I don't actually want to see an Exile lynch. I would rather see Mountain's neck in the hangman's noose today. But that isn't fair for the sub. So I switched it to the next scummiest target, even though I don't have real reasons of my own, but 5 other people did. That said, I still want to see Mountain lynched instead of Exile, but I don't plausibly see it happening tonight, with the sub and all. So, what is your reasoning for not wanting Exile lynched? It has to do with reaction. Exile didn't overreact to the votes just piling up on him. You, on the other hand, or maybe more old you, reacted horribly to a simple Day 1 inactive person vote from a single person who actually WANTED to see you lynched (and 2 who were just going the inactive vote), iirc. Miles' case against you and your old person were the biggest causes of my suspicions. You tunneled on Miles for a while. The fact you seemingly ignored the rest of us, focusing ONLY on Miles, is why I have suspicions. And while Exile has been more of an inactive player, to the point of subbing, which is also the case with you, I would prefer to see you lynched, mostly because Exile had a better logic than you did.
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Day 2
Jan 26, 2012 19:32:24 GMT -5
Post by Trail of Tears on Jan 26, 2012 19:32:24 GMT -5
That sure was nice of you guys to request an extension only to do absolutely nothing with it. :cross:
CD's logic about not voting Mountain is weird, though it doesn't seem to be scummy so much as coming from a lazy or otherwise inexperienced townie. Part of being town is getting the players you think are scum lynched, you're not doing that if you're resting your vote on the popular wagon without trying to actually push your case. If the day was ending in like 3 hours and you didn't want to get lynched over a rival wagon it'd be reasonable, but that's not the case at the moment. People like Miles have shown support for a Mountain lynch, and now there's been an extension for the replacement to catch up with. How is it impossible for you to get the lynch you prefer? Last I checked, people aren't shifting off of Exile just because Exile got replaced.
Sedna disappearing isn't making me very happy. Also, no Measure of a Man replacement?
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Day 2
Jan 26, 2012 21:04:39 GMT -5
Post by Crashing Down on Jan 26, 2012 21:04:39 GMT -5
That sure was nice of you guys to request an extension only to do absolutely nothing with it. :cross: CD's logic about not voting Mountain is weird, though it doesn't seem to be scummy so much as coming from a lazy or otherwise inexperienced townie. Part of being town is getting the players you think are scum lynched, you're not doing that if you're resting your vote on the popular wagon without trying to actually push your case. If the day was ending in like 3 hours and you didn't want to get lynched over a rival wagon it'd be reasonable, but that's not the case at the moment. People like Miles have shown support for a Mountain lynch, and now there's been an extension for the replacement to catch up with. How is it impossible for you to get the lynch you prefer? Last I checked, people aren't shifting off of Exile just because Exile got replaced. Sedna disappearing isn't making me very happy. Also, no Measure of a Man replacement? Frst off, I didn't say it wasn't possible, I said it wasn't plausible. Second off, I see Mountain's replacement is doing more than Exile's at the moment, so its back to the inactive vote thing I severely dislike, but is actually quite important. But like I said. I don't LOGICALLY see it happening. But I severely dislike it anyways. ##Unvote: Exile, ##Vote: MountainOn top of Miles' logic and your original reactions, I honestly don't see any evidence of you being town. You haven't really been proactive, and the biggest thing I saw you do was tunneling in toward Miles to Go. So with that, I vote for you to be stuck in a hangman's noose today. And for the end of phase, my final thoughts on the various targets. Exile: I honestly don't see much scumminess in you sans the defensiveness and lack of motivation that plagues us all except for Trail and Miles. Plus if I am right on who you are, you didn't have too much experience with all of this. Crashing Down: Umm... Hi. I guess I can explain myself in a neutral matter... OK. I admit I was defensive on Day 1. I also admit to being pretty strange since then. But I will say that I have been merely fighting the flow and trying to think outside the box on most of my votes. Exile was a sheep, initially for info and then for a result to work off of. But Mountain is a complicated work, and I don't find any bit of protown potential in him, given that we're all so hard on the players for what they say. Mountain: Like I said above. He reacted terribly to Miles day 1, tunneled on him through Night 1, and then seemed to ragesub because he had run out of arguments. Not a very firm footing he has. That and since he subbed, he hasn't done anything else either. He read, scrutinized, and then questioned why I wanted him lynched over Exile. Yeah, there's the gist of the three main targets, including myself. And while I obviously don't see myself being lynched as a good thing, I covered it since other people don't exactly see what I see.
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Day 2
Jan 26, 2012 21:54:57 GMT -5
Post by spinda on Jan 26, 2012 21:54:57 GMT -5
Badly-done votals:
Exile (4): Trail of Tears, Inspiration, May Queen, Miles to Go Crashing Down (3): Kingsword, War Between Brothers, Fisherman's Boy Measure of a Man (2): Mountain, Sedna Mountain (1): Crashing Down
1. Correct me if I'm wrong. 2. Five hours remain. Way to use the extension, guys.
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Day 2
Jan 26, 2012 23:04:27 GMT -5
Post by Inspiration on Jan 26, 2012 23:04:27 GMT -5
Aw, I feel really unhelpful since I was the one who requested phase extension, and didn't get to post until now. :/ I hate school.
Anyways - thanks subs, for posting. I was hoping that Exile's substitute would post, but alas. :/ My vote's staying, though, because I find E
It's interesting to see the counter wagon on Crashing Down - great for vote analysis. Oh, right, Crashing Down, when we're so near phase end, why are you voting Mountain - if eclipse/spinda's votals are right, then Mountain isn't really up for lynch this phase.
I'll get around to posting a list of scummiest to least scummiest next phase [it's pretty much the same as last night's - ToT has you all beat by miles - which reminds me of why everyone thinks Miles is super town - I can buy it, especially thanks to TS, but, well . . . ]
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Day 2
Jan 26, 2012 23:06:01 GMT -5
Post by Inspiration on Jan 26, 2012 23:06:01 GMT -5
lol part of it cut off
anyways, continuing my train of thought - while it's interesting to see the votewagons, Exile was pretty scummy in the past day / getting bad vibes from him/her in general, or at least, more so than the others.
Rest of you get in here.
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Day 2
Jan 26, 2012 23:26:29 GMT -5
Post by Kingsword on Jan 26, 2012 23:26:29 GMT -5
Not risking an NL, and inactivity's absolutely horrible.
##Unvote ##Vote Exile
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