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Night 1
Jan 22, 2012 16:29:57 GMT -5
Post by spinda on Jan 22, 2012 16:29:57 GMT -5
Since Kay isn't around, you get me instead. If you don't like it, I'll Teeter Dance!
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Night 1
Jan 22, 2012 16:36:54 GMT -5
Post by Mountain on Jan 22, 2012 16:36:54 GMT -5
Finally, I can post. --- Sorry, was I unclear? The "mud slinging", was at the end of both of your posts in response to me. In both, you offer a retort to my claims, then throw in unnecessary, baseless, backhanded comments, most likely to try and make me look worse than I actually am. Those were backhanded comments? I was just being sincere. Apologies if any offence was taken. I'm still leaving my vote on Mountain, his responses have left a lot to be desired, and predictably he dropped off the face of the thread as soon as people stopped talking about him, I'm, ah, getting "major bad vibes" from him, as the retro hipster kids would say. Well, I suppose your suspicions of me are quite fine. They are healthy in such a game, in fact. But when we have so little information to go on, is it necessarily a suspicion to act upon? I can actually see how you would think that, since we didn't really have any options on Day 1. However, what I am most bothered by is the fact that you so firmly stick to this lynch. It seems you know something we don't, or are trying to bluff your way through. I'm actually surprised no one else noticed that your behaviour is really...unsettling, to say the least. No, I'm not going to say scummy. Here, let's take a look: - I post (much later than I should have, I admit) saying that I forgot about the game until now - You jump on me because...I forgot and am posting late? Well, alright - I tell you that yes, I'm actually honestly late to the party, and not because I've been voted for - You tell me that it's all too convenient for me to be late, and make no input on the game situation, replying only to the vote on me so based on this assumption (highlighted for emphasis) you take the most firm stance anyone ever has on Day 1, and also some weird comment about slinging mud, where no mud was slung - I tell you that the game situation wasn't anything noteworthy, so there's nothing wrong with having no input; I also tell you that your reactions to my posts are, in turn, much more fascinating than my own, and that it's perhaps convenient for you to lynch me, but I refuse to make any more assumptions at the time - The next post by you just clarifies on the mud thing and reiterates your reasons for lynching me, including a "major bad vibes" thing Allow me to expound, and point out what I find undesirable in your reasoning. You cannot possibly know, at this phase, whether this is convenient for me or not. How much have you seen me post that you make these assumptions about me? This is just me being curious, by the by. You taking a firm stance about it also makes me wonder. Do you know something we, or rather, I don't? What bothers me most is that you exaggerate the matter at hand and make it seem like I am someone worthy of voting for. This is even worse because we're talking about what was an assumption in the first place, and the assumption is assumed to be true (by you), exaggerated and made to show that I did something I did not, or I am someone I am not. Again I ask, how do you so firmly stand by an assumption? I have yet to understand this part of your reasoning, and you are not making it any clearer. In other words: I urge you to wait longer before making hasty votes. I don't know about you, but from my observations and experience, it's never, ever good for town to be hasty. Your behaviour is...not very town-like with this kind of voting and shallow reasoning. Furthermore, I do believe someone said in another post that you seem over-zealous as a townie, and I'm inclined to agree. Or in other other words, best watch yo'self. Are we allowing feelings into evidence now? How can I defend myself against such testimony?
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Night 1
Jan 22, 2012 16:39:11 GMT -5
Post by spinda on Jan 22, 2012 16:39:11 GMT -5
My apologies for being late, then.
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Night 1
Jan 22, 2012 16:39:57 GMT -5
Post by Mountain on Jan 22, 2012 16:39:57 GMT -5
No worries. I was in no hurry.
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Night 1
Jan 22, 2012 17:28:55 GMT -5
Post by Inspiration on Jan 22, 2012 17:28:55 GMT -5
Thanks for posting Night I, spinda. Hey guys, I typed up an [unhelpful] summary / notes for myself, and decided to share it with you guys. It's not in chronological order, so it uh, sucks. Day 1Day 1 starts off with a light tone, plenty of joke votes and posts. Right, Trail of Tears advises everyone to get avatars because it'll be easier to remember everyone [which I agree with, by the way]. inactivesExile votes Mountain for being inactive - which Trail of Tears calls him a hypocrite because he posted late as well. May Queen unvotes me, and votes Mountain for being quiet / lurkerish / inactive, and also says that he voted me as a reaction test which I seem to have passed, apparently. He also mentions that we [the town] should be more focused on voting instead of the random voting. Measure of a Man posts to say she agrees. Crashing Down, chimes in about how results are important. May Queen and Kingsword vote Tarnished Silver for inactivity. Miles to Go versus MountainMiles to Go votes Mountain because his late entrance seems suspicious - Mountain defends himself weakly. Miles follows up by saying that it's far too convenient and that her vote will stay on him. Kingsword says that he doesn't like how Miles went after Mountain. Miles comes back to refute Mountain's points, and says that Kingsword probably misconstrued what he said. Call The Names & logicMay Queen votes for me [Inspiration]. Call The Names finds May Queen's vote for me to be opportunistic (since there were two on me, apparently), and votes him. Call The Names says that the Mountain lynch is interesting. Trail of Tears votes Measure of a Man for not following through with what she said. Trail of Tears changes his vote to CTN because CTN kept his vote on May Queen although he mentioned how interesting the Mountain bandwagon would be. Call the Names defends himself: he found the bandwagon interesting, not that he wanted to join it [although Trail of Tears refutes this by saying that people normally want to join bandwagons when they say they're interesting]. CTN also mentions that joke votes = scum or something like that, and wonders why Trail of Tears is defending May Queen. ToT refutes both points. War Between BrothersWar Between Brothers decides to pop in again and says that he doesn't feel like passing judgement / voting at the moment. Trail of Tears has a pretty useful post about how Town needs to step up, about lurkers, and votes WBB because of his reluctance to vote. WBB comes back, votes Trail of Tears because he thinks that ToT is trying to influence others. Sedna comes and votes him. Exile votes later - ToT unvotes since no lynches are dumb. Tarnished SilverTarnished Silver appears! He already has two votes on him [May Queen and Kingsword] for inactivity. He asks for a summary. I come back from my break, say I'm tired, and vote Tarnished Silver. Sedna agrees with ToT, says that my vote is essentially lazy, for good reason, I suppose. Trail of Tears and Sedna vocalize how they'd prefer not to have a TS lynch. Fisherman and his theoryFisherman's Boy comes back, and mentions his possible theory that has to do with pronouns - and suggests that I'm scumbuddying with May Queen. Trail of Tears says it's a little unlikely, or something like that. Fisherman's Boy says he's neutral on all three lynch suspects. Trail of Tears says that No Lynch is a bad idea and unvotes. Fisherman repeats his pronoun theory and scumbuddy theory. Phase ends, Trail of Tears is lynched, and flips to be Mafia - Jack of All Trades. kaymafia.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=9&page=7#152apparently the thread was supposed to be locked but it wasn't - the aftermathFisherman realizes his theory doesn't work anymore. Exile nightvotes (huh?) me because he doesn't like how TS was lynched. ToT responds: kaymafia.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=9&page=8#160I'll have some real thoughts up after dinner / or perhaps before & will read through Mountain's response then.
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Night 1
Jan 22, 2012 17:51:30 GMT -5
Post by May Queen on Jan 22, 2012 17:51:30 GMT -5
You passed because you didn't overreact. This also answers one of FB's complaints. The other being a supposed "scumslip" which was me being too lazy to write him/her every time I needed to use a pronoun. I guess "they" would be appropriate, but I didn't think of that at the time. GUESS THAT MAKES ME SCUM THOUGH HURR DURR.
I personally fail to see how to scum hunt someone if they never post. I unfortunately lack the telepathy that you lot seem to possess and thus require people to actually pay attention and contribute to get opinions off of them.
And heck, if they never post and are town, they're not really helping anyway. Basically, we either lynch scum or a townie that doesn't help. I wouldn't call the latter a win, but it is better than a RBW hitting the doc or something and forcing them to out.
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Night 1
Jan 22, 2012 18:07:35 GMT -5
Post by Inspiration on Jan 22, 2012 18:07:35 GMT -5
i like what i see, please continueTrail of Tears Sedna voters of Tarnished SilverMay Queen Kingsword i think i'll stay neutral on the issue for nowMiles to Go Mountain need to existCrashing Down Measure of a Man explain your theories, more, pleaseCall The Names Fisherman's Boy need to explain thingsExile War Between Brothers I guess it's time to defend myself. So really, my stance is that I don't feel I need to lynch anyone because I have absolutely no reason to. Is this a third party softclaim, or just a scum confession? Because town sure as hell has reason to lynch people. War Between Brothers, when you see this, respond to Trail of Tears question. I'd like to see why'd you say this. 1. People don't get lynched during the night phase. 2. Are you implying you think there are multiple scumteams? If there aren't, then Inspiration is obvtown, as Silver would not have been lynched without him. Exile: Um. What? Expound, please. Also, just to throw this out there, I highly doubt there are multi-faction teams, since the win condition implies two groups, The Guild [Town] and The Saboteurs [Mafia], of course, sans third party. DAY 1: VOTALS[3] Tarnished Silver: May Queen, Kingsword, Inspiration [2] War Between Brothers: Trail of Tears, Sedna, Exile [1] May Queen: Call The Names, Sedna, Fisherman's Boy [1] Trail of Tears: Miles to Go, War Between Brothers [1] Mountain: Exile, May Queen, Miles to Go [1] Miles to Go: Tarnished Silver [0] Exile: Trail of Tears, Inspiration[0] Sedna: Fisherman's Boy[0] Inspiration: Sedna, May Queen[0] Measure of a Man: Inspiration, Trail of Tears[0] Call The Names: Trail of Tears1. Tarnished Silver votes Miles to Go. I don't really know what to make of this. 2. Fisherman's Boy's and War Between Brother's votes seem so... as Sedna worded it, counter-productive. 3. staying neutral on Miles vs. Mountain, although Mountain seems to have overreacted to Miles' accusation (nice argument, though, but quite lengthy). 4. Personally, I don't think the pronoun thing incriminates anyone. Although he is the gender neutral pronoun [when referring to an indefinite person], I guess May Queen associated me as a female (probably due to avatar), as well as other people. For example, although Trail of Tears gender is listed as female, I think he's a guy, since KS is generally targeted towards males, etc, etc. Overall, not really a scumslip.
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Night 1
Jan 22, 2012 18:29:25 GMT -5
Post by Sedna on Jan 22, 2012 18:29:25 GMT -5
Progress is progress, although daytime progress>nighttime progress
Thanks Inspiration for that summary, although I didn't like the votes for Tarnished Silver, he flipped mafia anyway so I guess I can drop that.
Other points--- War Between Brothers is doing very little to be productive and neither is he making any sense Crashing Down did a whole lot of nothing despite being around. Same goes for Measure of a Man.
I was thinking about summarizing what happened, but I was beaten to the punch. Instead, I'll just give my opinions on the players(Ranked from most townish to least townish)
Trail of Tears- Very seemingly pro-town, but anyone with a brain can take leadership and seem pro-town as mafia. Skeptically trustful of you. Inspiration- Glad to see you care now. Your vote could have been bussing, considering how often we like to bus on SF. For now I'll say that the odds of that are negligible. Kingsword- Seemingly unassuming but seemed pretty eager to vote for TS May Queen-I was very suspicious of you until you voted for TS. As I said before, my opinion on votes for inactives is that its easy/lazy.
[The Rest]- Haven't generated solid opinions on yet and/or I'm still getting your aliases confused. Still trying to sort out who did what in my head
Crashing Down- See above War Between Brothers- You are implying that you aren't town by being so counterproductive.
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Night 1
Jan 22, 2012 18:44:36 GMT -5
Post by Crashing Down on Jan 22, 2012 18:44:36 GMT -5
I'm still looking for a pic. The reason I didn't post sooner was because there was no point, and any lynch we could possibly have would be a completely random blind shoot anyway. But things are better now.
He isn't talking to me, but I'll answer anyway.
You have the right to defend yourself and say that there's a flaw in an argument, of course, but he isn't being hasty in any way. No matter how much we try, a Day 1 phase when everyone's anonymous will oftenly result in a random lynch, so it's best to pick the target we see as most suitable, even if all we have are weak reasons.
I find your overly defensive post odd and kinda scummy, saying that his behavior had been odd because he followed his intuition when he was supposed to do it.
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Night 1
Jan 22, 2012 18:49:59 GMT -5
Post by War Between Brothers on Jan 22, 2012 18:49:59 GMT -5
War Between Brothers, when you see this, respond to Trail of Tears question. I'd like to see why'd you say this. Sure. Is this a third party softclaim, or just a scum confession? Because town sure as hell has reason to lynch people. So basically, my reasoning was as follows: There wasn't enough information regarding anyone to make an impactful vote. Without information, comes blind accusation. And blind accusation can begin to lead into unwillingly lynching a person that's on your side, which you can't know in this game. In theory, you could vote to lynch someone. That person could be with you or against (roughly 50/50 in this case), and there is absolutely nothing that can be derived from people's messages that can fully constitute evidence (as the mafia haven't killed anyone yet). As someone had to be lynched, I felt that not (intially) voting would possibly leave me with more people on my side to work with (even though I can't know). On that note, I should probably apologize to ToT for the vote against them. The vote was mostly a response to the sudden aggression, and honestly, that was the only real reason. If I was around for the deadline, I could have removed it, but alas. I don't know if you are on my side, but you do make some good points. Maybe this answers your question? If I'm not clear enough, call me out again, I'll attempt to explain further.
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Night 1
Jan 22, 2012 18:50:03 GMT -5
Post by Exile on Jan 22, 2012 18:50:03 GMT -5
Well, I missed a lot. 1. People don't get lynched during the night phase. 2. Are you implying you think there are multiple scumteams? If there aren't, then Inspiration is obvtown, as Silver would not have been lynched without him. Thanks. I blame lack of sleep, not sure why I was still thinking in terms of day phase. I thought Inspiration's vote seemed fishy because he (I give up on gender) said he'd be comfortable lynching Mountain, and then voted for Silver after he showed up. I didn't think it was well thought out for a nudge vote for more posts, because Inspiration went to sleep, and presumably wouldn't be around to change it. I don't know if there are multiple scumteams, it could be anything from an early bus or just a lazy vote. Given his most recent post though, I'm leaning towards the latter. inactives Exile votes Mountain for being inactive - which Trail of Tears calls him a hypocrite because he posted late as well. I admit that was a bit hypocritical for me to vote Mountain, but it was to encourage him to post. It was early enough in the game that I figured I could unvote later if he showed up. I kept it there because his response, "A man can't be honest without getting lynched, it seems" and others (see reply 46 and 49) were a bit of an overreaction, even if Miles was pushy. I had some reservations my vote might be put to better use elsewhere, if it was just be a playstyle quirk on Miles' part, and an honest reaction from Mountain, but I assumed a Tarnished Silver lynch was inevitable based on Kay's vocals (reply 80). When Sedna posted I realized the votals were more even, which led to... Basically this. IMO votes on inactives are better done early in phase to pressure players into posting and showing up. Doing so later isn't a bad fallback option, but I didn't think either War Between Brothers or Tarnished Silver were being very helpful townies at the time. The internet problem seemed possibly legitimate, and better than "my stance is that I don't feel I need to lynch anyone because I have absolutely no reason to." (reply 77) and decided to cut Silver some slack for a day. I ended up being wrong, but I've seen the opposite happen. And if you're wondering why I keep using parentheses, it's because I can't quote anything from Day 1 anymore.
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Night 1
Jan 22, 2012 19:01:29 GMT -5
Post by spinda on Jan 22, 2012 19:01:29 GMT -5
Oh, right, the quote thing. You right-click on Link to Post, and copy the link, then paste it in the reply.
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Night 1
Jan 22, 2012 20:00:47 GMT -5
Post by Sedna on Jan 22, 2012 20:00:47 GMT -5
This might or might not be a good idea, but I'm going to go ahead and claim.
I'm the town persuader.
I'm going to say that I had planned on idling tonight. Of course, I can do whatever you guys want me to do.
I wanted to claim because, with this role, it won't make me a target for the mafia, and it's best to not keep you guys in the dark. I would've claimed during the day but quite frankly I don't trust you guys to not lynch me unreasonably.
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Night 1
Jan 22, 2012 21:07:48 GMT -5
Post by Kingsword on Jan 22, 2012 21:07:48 GMT -5
Oh, wonderful, another Town persuader e_e I'd still be wary of you, if only because there's no way to verify your alliance, though I suppose you wouldn't lie with a role like that.
Still, WBB, what was that about it being a bad idea to lynch? It's an anonymous NOC game; you have no information to go off aside from who's playing. Lynching is even more important because of the importance of the information you get. NL'ing on D1 gives the mafia a free night to shoot whoever they want, and that's not very nice, is it?
I'd also like to point out that if you look under 'members' (It's along the top bar), you'll see several people with 0 posts - Changeling Child, Crimson Sky, I Follow My King, Medusa, Stone Soup and The Greyhound. Anyone have any idea on what they are? I suppose they could be the substitute accounts for the 5 subs, but IDK.
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Night 1
Jan 23, 2012 0:44:19 GMT -5
Post by Crashing Down on Jan 23, 2012 0:44:19 GMT -5
They're probably the substitute accounts. Now to see if one of them posts now that 13th subbed in. That's really all I can think of for those, so if one of them doesn't post, I will say that 13th is Mafia. The problem is figuring out who he is. Just watch for someone being overly random and spontaneous and overall horrible.
Looking up, Sedna, I'd not believe it, except that these Town Persuaders seem to be more and more common lately. So its starting to become both somewhat believable and a decent enough mafia fakeclaim.
And we need to see more results...
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